Where are all the jobs?
North America and Europe are still struggling they're way out the economic crisis. Where then, will the next aviation 'super power' be. The article in the news section 'Taking off: how India's aviation industry is soaring' give a really interesting summary on how that country might become the next place to go for aviation jobs. But what do other think? will Dubai recover for recent times, or is it China and Korea that will become new centres of global aviation?
I have been on the phone to
I have been on the phone to many far flung places over the last few weeks. You may have to travel to work but that's what we do isn't it? I know of some people in the Far East and Asia who may be looking for pilots. I will make sure they can be found here first.
There are and I think there always has been work for the experienced and type rated, the hard thing is to get a job as a low hour pilot.
Reckon I may have been
Reckon I may have been speaking to some of the same people Richard. India's economy is growing at 10%pa which has to put them in the running for next big market. That said their 'interesting' views on ahem, fees and blocking expats makes it a tough place to get in to and work.
China is hotly contested to
China is hotly contested to be the next economic powerhouse. They are a giant rapidly coming out of hibernation. You only have to look at the global recession and China's influence in propping up economies around the world, including the US. Their aviation industry is quickly gaining momentum with them building their first commercial airliner for its domestic market. They are forecasted to require 3,770 new commercial airplanes valued at $490 billion over the next 20 years.
India, similarly, is a dynamic market with huge growth. India has an extreme shortage of pilots and are rumoured to be looking to introduce a new licence. In an nutshell they looking to introduce a 'flight systems operator' into the cockpit to replace the traditional FO. These new flightcrew would not be 'pilots' as we know, but purely there to manage the flight computers. Doesn't fill me with much confidence :~ .
Here in Canada, not sure what's happening over in Europe, flight schools are full of Indian and Chinese students. There is even one looking to train exclusively Chinese students due to the demand. It has to be said that the quality of some of these students leaves much to be desired. Though they are passing exams and flight tests they are creating havoc with the local airspace and some are downright bloody dangerous. More worrying is that many are guaranteed the RHS once they've bought their TR. :jawdrop:
Here is a short but
Here is a short but interesting article about how Indian Carrier SpiceJet has managed to come through the recent financial crisis relatively unscathed. http://www.glgroup.com/News/SpiceJet-Shows-Indian-Aviation-How-To-Grow-4...
They certainly seem to be in a more healthy position at present than the other Indian airlines. How quickly will this all change though?
I agree that China's growth will be very interesting to watch. Especially as they are developing the COMAC C919 aircraft. However with so many Chinese pilots being trained, is this going to be a good place to go job hunting?
[quote=Jon]....... with so
Maybe not for the relatively inexperienced but direct-entry captains and trainers will be in demand. If they go to to China that'll mean good news for anyone looking to move in lower down the career ladder.
I hope you are right. I
I hope you are right. I think that any movement in hiring crews will be good, with the massive pull of so many pilots to China the job market is bound to get better.
That's a good point thanks
That's a good point thanks Flintstone. Lets hope people start moving around the industry soon and the job market begins to pick up.
Right Now Too many Pilots
Right Now
Too many Pilots ,too less Positions.
For us younger ones still not that good ,since older farts still block good jobs .
maybe talk nonsense ,but im getting fed up by guys who had a mid-size jet rating ,then in 2008 that jet wasnt good enough wanted bigger one .well they moved up most likely into one of these russian "pseudo-millionairs" Big Aircraft .Now that guy is broke and look whos there wants a job on the mid size again ,the old fart who was complaining all the time about this "sheit-Airplane" .
Now due to his more experience guess who gets the captains Job,right the old fart !!guess who looks into the blue well yes in this case me ....im honestly pissed and very upset in one .
its...THE FISCHMEISTER !!!
ITS...THE FISCHMEISTER
It's good to see you here
It's good to see you here Fischmeister, I am a bit of a fan from PPRuNe.
It has always been this way and it is just the way the world is. Some people want grey haired pilots because they think all the experience will make a good pilot.
All we can do is wait for the bounce to come and then life may get back to normal. I think networking is important but it is so hard.
Anyway, Mr Fischmeister you are welcome to these pages.
Here's an interesting article
Here's an interesting article about Asian low cost carriers and their future potential following the recent financial problems.
http://www.flightcrewfinder.com/news/open-skies-budget-travel-asian-airl...
Are things on the up for
Are things on the up for Indian aviation?
http://www.flightcrewfinder.com/news/indian-aviation-takes-again
India has a huge potential
India has a huge potential but let's be honest there are hundreds of fresh indian nationals who graduate from indian FTO's...All these low costs carriers (and not only low cost) are asked to employ only nationals which gives us little hope.
Anyway it's good to hear that some parts of the world are recovering. Europe will follow hopefully in late 2010 but not at the same scale.
As it has been said several times on this forum patience is a virtue !
I agree that the Indian
I agree that the Indian Airlines are likely to hire mostly Indian nationals, however it really is good to see any part of the industry picking up. There is still a finite number of pilots globally, so the more jobs there are available the better the overall situation will be.
Here is an interesting
Here is an interesting article about pilot training in Singapore and the challenges for a low hours pilot trying to find work http://www.todayonline.com/Voices/EDC100513-0000071/My-career-cant-take-off
Asia is already moving ahead
Asia is already moving ahead nicely! Air Asia, for example, taking direct entry captains without previous command experience on type. Not exactly the dream job I guess (whatever that is?) but would give younger, less experienced guys a shot at getting some proper experience under their belt.
As far as India goes I think it will be a long and hard road until the industry and the DGCA changes its attitude towards expats and how they do business. Over the past two years I have flown regularly in and out of India and its nothing but a F@#$%G mess most of the time. Overflight/landing permits still require 7 days, we get it done in 4-5 with our man on the ground in India, but still. Once you have overflight permit it cannot be changed to landing permit - Cancel overflight, apply for landing, another 5-7 days.....same thing the other way around... No processing of permits on weekends.
Good luck!
Ahhh India, I know that some
Ahhh India, I know that some operators are really struggling to get experienced expat crews permits. The administration is a nightmare and the total lack of flexibility from the DGCA is something to behold.
Interesting video about the
Interesting video about the rebound of business aviation:
http://www.flightcrewfinder.com/video/business-jet-travel-rebounds