How do you 'Network'
We are always told to 'Network' to make contacts to find employers, but, how the devil do you 'Network'. I have been talking to very, very many employers over the last few days and it is almost impossible to build up meaningful relationship on the phone to a busy chief pilot.
When I was looking for work in the past, I have targeted the company I really want to work for and I have spent time hanging around their office/FBO. I just don't think this will be possible at Ryanair, imagine trying to 'hang out' with MOL.
Anyone got any hot tips on how to Network?

I have always found
I have always found networking a very challenging thing to do successfully. In some ways, it may be getting even more difficult with so much of our lives now dependent on the internet and networking sites. I think there is still a lot to be said for just picking up the phone or arriving in person, but as you mention people are extremely busy and don't necessarily have the time for you.
Do you think networking sites such as LinkedIn or Facebook offer any real scope for successful networking? In a today's society giving people the oppurtunity to respond on their terms may be beneficial. However, the fear obviously is that they can ignore you with greater ease!
I have spoken to every single
I have spoken to every single aircraft operator and small airline I can think of over the last few days. It makes a massive difference if there is some spark of recognition when you introduce yourself. I tend to 'drop' the name of someone they know within the vital first minute and that usually makes the conversation a little more relaxed and informal.
I have been travelling around the airports of the world for the last 10 years and I have been building up a 'good to know' list. When I see someone I know we can engage in conversation. It is very different when contact is made over the internet. Replies are deafeningly silent, even from people I know really well. I am as guilty of ignoring emails and FB chatter when I am busy.
The best way to network is personal in my book! Now, that is difficult especially if you are after a job in a big company however, personal recommendations can really help. Find your nearest captain from a company your are interested in and invite him to the pub for a beer. You never know it could be a very good investment. Mine's a large one!!
So the real challange for
So the real challange for anyone fairly new to the industry is to actually get out there and meet as many people as possible. This is pretty difficult for low hours pilots who might be struggling to get work and have few or no contacts. Here you need to think a bit differently to try and meet people. Methods I have come up with include, joining a flying club as you never know who the other members may be, and obviously this has the added benefit of you being able to do some flying! Another option is to join groups such as BALPA, The Royal Aeronautical Soceity or AOPA (to name a few) and attend some of their organised events. Any other suggestions for places you can go to meet members of the aviation industy?
I'm a bit of a Luddite to be
I'm a bit of a Luddite to be honest so Face/Arsebook and the like just leave me cold. Having knocked around the bazaars for a few years I'd say the personal touch builds much more of a 'real' connection but of course not everyone can do that, especially those seeking that elusive first job. It takes a lot of courage (and if done incorrectly it can backfire) but I still rate actually going to see people.
I have had some backfires
I have had some backfires with trying to 'Network'.
I drove all the way to Bristol for a 'pop in for a chat on Tuesday' informal interview with a CFI. I drove 3 hours just to see this guy about an AFI job and when I arrived I was told he had just taken off on an examination flight. I waited another 3 hours for him to return and all he said was, "Naaaa don't really need another AFI, didn't come far did you?" I think he must have heard my screams as I drove out of the car park. Another day wasted.
I didn't learn as I did the same 'pop in for a chat' interview in Norfolk. I drove for 6 hours this time. Things were very different, I was taken on as an AFI and ended up doing lots of other jobs. I was a fireman, ATC, refueller, barman, waiter, and general airport dogs body. This job did lead on to another AFI job in Cambridge and this gave me twin flying and then a jet rating. So, Networking does work but is takes time and can be soul destroying.
Networking=drinking? Right?
Networking=drinking? Right?
I think it has came to 'who
I think it has came to 'who you know, not what you know nowadays' and 'Networking' has given me alot of help regarding flight training and trying to find that first job. Funny enough im currently in Miami and met a captain who works with my father, next thing I know the chief pilot comes down from his hotel room (I didnt know he was the CP till I was told after he left) and his first sentence to me was "I have seen you some where before" after a 5 second pause he remembered seeing my CV I sent him about 2 weeks back. When he left after asking for my Cv again, I was told he basically gave me a mini interview and from his reaction he likes me.
So even if i dont get the job anytime soon I have made another good contact and met him on a personal level so he knows what im like instead of reading it off my CV. So I think the likes of facebook and meeting people in person is a good way of 'Networking' and it just depends on how good you are at doing it.
J.Knight
Ahhhh, there you go, classic
Ahhhh, there you go, classic Networking. I really hope it works. As a very clever man once wrote, "Fate is the hunter".
How's Miami?
"How do you 'Network'" - As
"How do you 'Network'" - As I'm not currently flying, very badly :((
Max, networking just means
Max, networking just means making contacts! The contacts you do make you want them to be at least in high places or really good friends with people in high places. I found facebook was a really good way to make new contacts, a good example was the one and only Richard from flight crew finder which I spoke on the phone for a while.
J.Knight
The contacts you make don't
The contacts you make don't always have to be in or have links to high positions. You never know where others careers will take them, and a friend/contact from school, university or training may become mutually beneficial in the future.
Another good place to try and find some contacts is through family friends and connections. Its amazing who people know, and contacts such as this can give great advice or friendly encouragement.
Does stalking count as
Does stalking count as networking?
I'm thinking of stalking Richard (don't tell him though), but not sure how effective stalking is from across the pond. Any thoughts? 8)
max Bad idea. He'll like it,
max
Bad idea. He'll like it, then HE'LL start stalking YOU. Your underwear will go missing from the washing line, there'll be late night phone calls with heavy breathing, scratches down the side of your car.........best stay away.
As Flintstone pointed out on
As Flintstone pointed out on another thread 'it's all about karma'!
My way of networking is I help who I can (after carefully assessing if they deserve it!) and have received lots and lots of help in return....
Oh and booze always helps...
Here is an article about
Here is an article about issues with social networking sites and possible ways you can utilise them to your advantage, hopefully to get a new job or opportunity.
http://www.flightcrewfinder.com/article/your-online-persona-friend-or-foe
Great news story about how a
Great news story about how a pilot used internet based networking to get himself a flying job again
http://www.flightcrewfinder.com/news/hired-pilots-job-search-takes-0
I think this just shows the
I think this just shows the power of networking and sites like this can help I guess. I am now inspired to start blogging myself!
Here is another article
Here is another article giving some general advice about making the most of any networking opportunities
http://www.flightcrewfinder.com/article/networking-skies-limit